Can a Citadel change their fit on the fly with weapons and ammo?


I picture a sub-capital fleet come in on the final round and the persons Citadel is fitted for them and then when the timer starts, in come the Capitals with no way to defend.

It is the same thing. You can still instantly warp to a citadel without any effort as apposed to the current requirement to locate the correct moon to find a pos.

We should be able to fit a mod to a citadel, which prevents a warp to without the use of combat probes.

As I understand the changes the new Citadels will eventually replace POSes and POSes will be removed from the game.

Currently if someone wanted to, for example, compress ore in high sec they would probably use a small POS tower and a compression array along with a little fuel. A small POS tower and compression array would cost somewhere in the region of 100 million ISK plus the negligible fuel cost to compress a billion ISK worth of ore.

If in the new system a medium sized Citadel has to be used to complete the same task the outlay will be six BILLION ISK plus costs of additional modules and maybe rigs as well instead of the previous 100 million ISK initial outlay.

So my question is will there be a new structure type other than Citadels to complete tasks such as compression of ore in high sec systems

If not I suppose the alternatives are to either allow compression as a service in NPC stations or allow the Rorqual to operate in high sec systems. Unfortunately both of these alternatives come with obvious problems. So I would suggest a new type of smaller structure needs to developed to complete compression of ore in high sec systems.

The dev blog price for a medium citadel is stated as six billion ISK and not 600 million. If it was 600 million I wouldn't have raised this issue.

I could afford a Rorqual but the Rorqual cannot be used currently in high sec. I would not advocate the use of the Rorqual in high sec either with its current stats as that would further collapse the ore/mineral prices.

Relatively new pilots and probably many others would not be able to gather six billion up to access compression in high sec. I am asking for CCP to retain a reasonable, in terms of ISK cost, method of compression and increased reprocessing yield as we currently have with the POS system in high sec systems.

Reading the blog again I agree with others that 30 billion-ish is going to be too cheap in terms of ISK available for alliances. I don't know what price they should be but it needs to be more than that.

PS I'm referring to the price of the XL sized citadel.

Does the citadel need to be manned by a player for the weapons / defenses to work?

Will groups in High Sec (During War), Low, WH, and, Null be forced to have station alts sitting in these things 23/7 in order to blap anyone on grid?

Can directors kick people out of controlling a citadel? What happens when a spy takes control and shots your own fleet? Can that spy stay in control forever? (Well, until downtime that is, but I know they want to get rid of downtime).

I could imagine 3 spys taking turns getting burned for each reinforcement cycle and basically giving away an XL kill.

Am I right in thinking that you will remove Outposts from game?

As previously I saw picture that in the end of transition process we will be banned of building new Outposts and upgrades will be reimbursed in some way.

Now you're thinking to remove Outposts as well?

they stated from the beginning that this will be the end goal, all pos and player stations removed as more and more functionality is being migrated into new structures

I hope you are right but we don't know that for sure do we?

It's a shame you don't Warping to an anomaly is essentially the same thing as warping to something on overview.

Conciser intel is gathered in wormhole space. Are you adding new scanners that can be used while cloaked, or will we have to decloak to gather intel? If it's the latter, that is not good!

Maybe you don't understand what the issues? I have tried to explain multiple times if you care to look.

This of course will only work until the removal of POSes from the game and then youre boned because you cant dock a freighter to a med citadel sooo id imagine you wont be able to construct one there either. Unless that gets clarified you essentially will have to build the freighter while POSes are still around and hope your L or XL doesn't go pop after they get removed.

I know that POSes will not removed instantly after Citadel release. When CCP will add all new structures to replace old system - POSes will gone... But I have a question

How will new system replace cynosural system jammers, jump bridges, cynosural generator arrays??

Will it be new stand alone structures, or we will have service modules to fit into citadels???

Are there any plans to finally make walking in stations possible with these new citadels, seeing as were now getting these new massive buildings we can dock with and call home????

You have got it backwards.

I DON'T want hostile to be able to warp to my Citadel (using overview or scan window) without any real effort.

If that means i need to put a mod/rig on my citadel, so be it... As a wormhole I would love it it went further and i could hide my pos from d-scan but i doubt ccp would do anything that cool.

In case you are not experienced how wormholes/pos scouting works; we can currently gather intel without decloaking so to take this away would be a bad move IMO.

I stand corrected. guess I didn't get the memo
Cheeky to ask but anyone got a link?

Also regarding the number of citadels a person can put up at a time, will there be restrictions?
We all know titans were supposed to be rare so what is stopping anyone from spamming single systems with hundreds of citadels?

I assume this time is extended if the citadel is under attack? That means the enemy just needs to shoot now and then, extending the time, until some real life issue forces me log off.

This means that, for small or one man corps, a citadel is not a viable option. Note that the present POS is a viable option, because I can take it down during the 24 hour warm-up period of the war.

With reguard to the weapons for the citadels....

AOE weapons were mentioned...

This will cause issues in high sec, can i assume they will be unuseable in high sec?? (ie 3rd party neutrals getting caught up in the area of effect, and concord follow on reaction)

Complaining actually I see some people saying that it was the "WH community" that demanded the removal of asset protection but actually what I've seen is when the plans were first made available, it was the whole "to recover you'll have to build another citadel in the same system to recover" that they were not in favour of. And of course, most of the WH people I've seen posting on this and otehr threads are not in favour of WH space being the only one where you will lose everything if your space castle goes boom. So not sure which part of the "WH community" to which you are referring.

Now if they had offered a similar asset protection system as they did to everyone else, (i.e. your assets can be recovered at an NPC station for a price) instead of the ludicrious "you'll have to put up yet another citadel in the system where you lost the last one" maybe the WH community would have been more receptive. But then again, not like CCP is really supportive of small WH corps.

Why has the design decision been made to make every station look the same?

I have a lot of people on my killboard who messed up with docking/undocking ... most poeple don't know/use the autopilot trick, they warp and dock manually, with tethering it's just warp, dock whenever you want, look around, no rush, no stress. With undock the same, today you have max. 30s outside before you are forced to do something to keep yourself safe ...

... basically POS shield security for everyone. BTW, what will be the radius of tethering? Small as for station docking range or large like POS shields?

Stupid forums were giving me quote errors, so i deleted the whole damn mess...but you guys should understand this answer....

the amount of salvage in need for t2 rig for citadels and especialy for xl size one is ridiculous
also no trade goods are in need for citadel production

either fix the loot tabble of the salvage (the drop rate and the percentage should be higher and with better analogy )
or simply add few trade goods in rig making and cut the slavage needs by alote

See, that was a perfectly reasonable post.... until you had to troll....

.....no, I'm am not 'crying' (seriously, grow up FFS...!), I am pointing out there is a gap in what is being proposed (which may or may not be filled by other structures).